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Old 04-04-2009, 02:03 AM
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Anyone have any ideas on this line from Locke, that was directed at Ben at the end of the last episode?
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Old 04-04-2009, 02:14 AM
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It's a pretty vague one-liner.. if I were to share all the ideas that I could get off this, well, I'm not trying to get a headache from thinking too hard right now. =D
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Old 04-04-2009, 02:30 AM
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It was vague, but I think it's just a reference to how Locke remembers dying (possibly remembers how he died) and is now alive again. Brilliant ending to the episode, however.
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Old 04-04-2009, 02:31 AM
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Anyone have any ideas on this line from Locke, that was directed at Ben at the end of the last episode?
I have heard that line used several times to someone that has been asleep or unconcious for a period of time.
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Old 04-04-2009, 05:24 AM
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What I thought was stellar is that Ben had a look of horror and dread on his face. I can't quite recall seeing Ben have that look before. Even when Alex died he looked stunned, but not like he was looking at Locke. Locke was very focused, very methodical and calm. I would call Locke's expression an "open" face, hiding nothing. "Welcome to the land of the living. Isn't it a shame when people you've killed just won't stay dead? You see, Ben, the island needs me and nothing you can do to me will change that. Here, Jacob said to give you this. It's a rabbit's foot. You're going to need it. Oh, and don't disappear. I've got a long list of things for you to do!"

IDK, if this is close, maybe Ben will see Locke differently, now that Locke, like Lazarus, has been resurrected. All in all, I still don't want Ben to leave the island. He's a wild card, a mountebank, and a great character. And we would have to give Lockeing CPR. He's also too much a part of the show.
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Anyone have any ideas on this line from Locke, that was directed at Ben at the end of the last episode?
I think Locke meant in a joker way
"dont worry you are not dead like I am not dead"
ben was shocked when he saw Locke
nevertheless he killed him
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Old 04-04-2009, 05:59 AM
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Yea, I agree. I think Locke meant that in a 'no u aren't dead I am alive thing'. And plus to play on Ben that 'I know what u did, I'm still here and maybe now u will have to pay'.
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What I thought was stellar is that Ben had a look of horror and dread on his face. I can't quite recall seeing Ben have that look before. Even when Alex died he looked stunned, but not like he was looking at Locke. Locke was very focused, very methodical and calm. I would call Locke's expression an "open" face, hiding nothing. "Welcome to the land of the living. Isn't it a shame when people you've killed just won't stay dead? You see, Ben, the island needs me and nothing you can do to me will change that. Here, Jacob said to give you this. It's a rabbit's foot. You're going to need it. Oh, and don't disappear. I've got a long list of things for you to do!"

IDK, if this is close, maybe Ben will see Locke differently, now that Locke, like Lazarus, has been resurrected. All in all, I still don't want Ben to leave the island. He's a wild card, a mountebank, and a great character. And we would have to give Lockeing CPR. He's also too much a part of the show.
Everyone keeps calling it ressurection. I see it a little differently. If young Ben dies and comes back, Locke coming back, well, I see it as reincarnation. I have been thinking alot lately about the Dali Lama and how he is constantly reincarnated as Buddhist leader. I am thinking the same for the leader of the Others. And, have you ever heard of the Panchen Lama? He's basically the second in command, like Richard. The Panchen Lama has some responsibility in finding the next Dali Lama. I'm not saying that is who they are in our story but rather that they may be modeled after them.

Also, the "frozen donkey wheel" is the Dharma Wheel or Dharma Wheel of Law and represents the eight steps on the path to enlightenment. There is a belief of the three turnings of the Dharma Wheel. Each turn on the way to understanding the teachings of Buddha. Each turn also basically represents a time in ones life. The first turn was the teaching of the Four Nobel Truths. They are the nature of suffering, the origin of suffering, the cessation of suffering, and the way leading to the cessation of suffering, which is the eightfold path. The eightfold path is right view, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelyhood, right effort, right mindfulness, and right concentration. The second turn was to emphisize emptiness and the impermanant nature of form and to cultivate insight. The third turn teaches the true internal teachings of Buddha and purity of the mind. The fourth turn is the learning of the existential truth of the human condition through meditative and yoga practices. That there is nothing that humans experience that is not meditated by the mind.

So, we've turned the wheel twice now. Do you think it will be turned two more times? I do see some similarities in the Dharma Wheel and the Turns and what our losties have experienced and how they have grown so far. Interesting, isn't it?

Oh, and one last thing. The funeral for Coleen, the Other that Sun killed, was definitly a Buddhist type funeral. The Buddhist funeral includes sending the person on (Coleen was on adrift on a raft) and cremation (that was set aflame) essentially a burial at sea, and the wearing of white clothes is an old practice. So, yet another possible indication that the Others are based on a Buddhist type culture.
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Old 04-05-2009, 12:13 PM
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yet another possible indication that the Others are based on a Buddhist type culture.
Based on Buddhist type culture.....what kind of Buddhist type culture?
And for how many %
What did they take as as base? Only a few rituals and phrases? Less than 0,1%?
So the funeral ritual seem to fit them, what else?
And where does this rather violent "territory" thing comes from? Threatening people that come on your so called "territory" and even killing them.
In what kind of Buddhist type culture could that fit?
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Old 04-05-2009, 01:58 PM
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It doesn't matter really how you see it, all that matters is this island is so powerful that it brought John Locke back to life. I don't care how it did it, but the island bringing Locke back to life is by far the biggest thing that has happened in the story (mythology wise) and the line that Locke said to Ben was priceless. I just know Locke is finally on his way to become something we will always mention when we talk about the show when it's over.
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